Old guy needs more help. Copy

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Hi,

Can’t get my head round how to copy or move a phrase without all the pitch settings etc going haywire.

I can’t work out how to get the ‘lines’ to go with the blocks and end up having to redraw every time I move something.

Thanks.

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There are a couple sides to the issue:

  • If your notes are in Sing or Rap mode, the pitch curve will be re-generated when the notes are changed. This can include just moving them left or right. If you want to move notes and keep the same pitch curves, you’ll need to set them to Manual Mode first.

  • If/once your notes are set to Manual Mode, the pitch curve will be expressed in the Parameters panel via the Pitch Deviation parameter. In order to move these parameters along with the notes:

    1. Select the relevant notes
    2. Right click one of the selected notes and pick “Select Parameters for Notes” (I think the default hotkey is ctrl+alt+A)
      • If you have the pointer tool selected in the Parameters panel you’ll see the points along the curve get highlighted
    3. Click and hold one of the selected notes and drag the entire selection
      • You’ll see the curve in the Parameters panel move along with the notes

An alternative to step 3 would be to do step 1 and 2, then group the entire selection (both the notes and parameters). You can then move the entire block via the arrangement panel. This means you don’t have to reselect everything if you decide to move things a second time.

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Thanks, I’ll give those ‘helps’ a look soon.

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Just realised another possible problem … what happens when I copy and paste a section to another track entirely … does stuff move with the paste?

I am not actually by the computer at the moment or obviously I would try myself. If it DOESN’T move everything, what can be done?

Thanks again,
Dave

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Everything that’s selected should be copied to the second track, so it’s a very similar process of using the “Select Parameters for Notes” option.

For example, if only notes are selected, only the notes will be copied. If only parameters are selected, only those will be copied, and if you select both you can copy both at once.

When pasting, location of the pasted notes/parameters will be based on the “Default Pasting Behavior” setting:

  • “Paste at the Playhead” will put the start of the notes and/or parameter curve at the playhead location.
  • “Paste at the Same Position on Screen” will put the notes at the same location, as long as you haven’t scrolled the piano roll horizontally.
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Thanks again. What a gem. What a brainful of knowledge !!

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Just tried it, and of course it works!

It’s totally unimportant, but the word ’manual’ seems to bear little relevance to the operation.

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In this context “manual” just means “not automatic”. That is to say, Sing and Rap modes will automatically generate a pitch curve, and that curve gets re-generated if a note is changed, moved, etc.

So setting a note to Manual mode effectively “locks” or “freezes” the pitch curve so that it does not change when modifying the notes themselves. In other words, it disables the automatic behavior.

If you don’t need the pitch curve to be exactly the same after moving or copying the notes, then there’s no need to freeze it first.

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Hey, Maybe not offering hands on solutions like Claire here, but just for perspective: I also had issues with this, but for me i solved it with having as methodological workflow as possible. I make sure all melodies are in place before i edit any details, since it will regenerate every time i move anything anyway etc. That way, I mostly eliminated the need to go back and redo things. It works for some types of projects at least!

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Thanks D&B

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@DustAndBloom Indeed I think this is right, we are expecting to much beyond the purpose of SV. Composing melody , rhythm and lyrics should be done on another platform/DAW and when ca 100% only then port to SV for grafting Voice/phonemes onto notes. Limited fine tuning can be done to pitch articulation and phoneme emphasis but not much else - in the Midi sense.

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I don’t completely agree with this though. I think SynthV is a stronger program if there are more ways of having your own workflow. I don’t think it should require a completely different program and the skills to use that in order to use synthV.

But based on the way it actually works now, having a structured workflow is practical to save time when you use synthV as a major addition to your music made in other daws.

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Ps. Not sure if I misunderstood but did you mean you can’t find the export-to-wav button? It is in one of the icons (I think it’s called bounce) in the side menu to the far right in the interface. Make sure to check the tracks you want to export and that they aren’t muted in the timeline

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@DustAndBloom thnx 10^6 my mistake, I expected it under Files/export. That icon I thought was “send/share” is in fact a BOUNCE button. You then have to go and save the File/Export of both dot svp and dot midi and keep all together in a folder. I will check to see how the audio and midi sync in Cubase, and vice versa.

just a victim of the learning curve - I cut that bit out my previous comment

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We are all here to learn :heart_eyes:

I also really recommend this video where the guy shows how you can export aspiration outputs as isolated files to make the high treble and S sounds in a separate track. SUPER HELPFUL when mixing in complex tracks to avoid strong resonance. I use this all the time:

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@DustAndBloom indeed this guy Mixphantom has a series of very helpful videos on YT and the
at the end of a phoneme is something you wouldn’t know as well as the separate “breath track export” - Im not that advanced there - definite must have.

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Yep, I made an entire album without knowing the BR code :joy: thankfully the genre doesn’t really allow room for breathing as such so I think I get away with it anyway :crazy_face: but next time I’ll make sure it’s there!